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even if we go back to the clinton tax rates, the clinton tax rates, which is what the cliff is described as, you still have nearly half a trillion dollars a year, $5 trillion over ten years worth of deficit. that's because while we grew the -- under bush the taxes revenue went up 25%, and spending went up 100% in the last 12 years. if you put back the revenue from the higher taxes, you still have a deficit. that's what we're trying to change. >> we kind of are where we are, and no one is talking about spending cuts. they're talking about keeps taxes low, which everybody agrees. let me ask a specific question first to the democrats here. if they came out with with a deal that said, all right, we will keep tax rates for those making $400,000 or less, would you vote for na? >> candy, i'm willing to come to the middle. i think we've got to all be willing to come to the middle. >> that's a yes? >> i want to say something else very important, and that is for two years now we have only been focusing on spending cuts. in the last two years we've put in place $1.6 trillion in spending cuts. we ha
even if we go back to the clinton tax rates, the clinton tax rates, which is what the cliff is described as, you still have nearly half a trillion dollars a year, $5 trillion over ten years worth of deficit. that's because while we grew the -- under bush the taxes revenue went up 25%, and spending went up 100% in the last 12 years. if you put back the revenue from the higher taxes, you still have a deficit. that's what we're trying to change. >> we kind of are where we are, and no one is...
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i sort of thought to myself, well, if hillary clinton could have the kind of career she had post-kids and if she understands these kinds of stresses, it's okay. you know, i can go home. >> hillary clinton when she was asked about your article, which, you know, obviously everyone had read, she said look, i have always advocated for flexibility but some women can handle the pace and others can't. what would you say about that? >> i don't think it's a question of the pace. i actually love the pace and i will impose that on myself. no matter how organized you are, you need more flexibility. you need the ability to step out for a while and come back in which many women don't have or you need the ability particularly at lower levels to work from home a little or to simply have more flexibility. i'm still working more than full time, but working in a way that i can get up in the morning and be with my kids and go to sleep in the morning and be with my kids and be there if they really need me. i'm not the hero. the heroes are the people who don't have choices and still work to support their k
i sort of thought to myself, well, if hillary clinton could have the kind of career she had post-kids and if she understands these kinds of stresses, it's okay. you know, i can go home. >> hillary clinton when she was asked about your article, which, you know, obviously everyone had read, she said look, i have always advocated for flexibility but some women can handle the pace and others can't. what would you say about that? >> i don't think it's a question of the pace. i actually...
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and what's next for hillary clinton? dee dee? >> you get that question. ( laughter ). >> no, you know, she was very sick with the flu, fell and hilt her head, as we all know, and suffered a concussion, which was pretty serious. and had repercussions for her. she was really out of-- you know, incapacitated-- not incapacitated that's too strike word-- but she was really suffering from the effects of hitting her head so glad to see he's returning to work on monday-- i guess right after the holiday. it was too bad seeing some in the public taking shots at her. that was cheap under the circumstances. what will she do next? whatever she wants is the answer. she wants to continue work wog behalf of women and girls. she said that is the global civil rights issue of the century. and we'll sit around and wait for however long hillary wants us to wait to see if she wants to run for president. it's something she wants to take her time to think about. >> o'donnell: michael? >> everything she said. i think she'll run. >> she's going to run. >>
and what's next for hillary clinton? dee dee? >> you get that question. ( laughter ). >> no, you know, she was very sick with the flu, fell and hilt her head, as we all know, and suffered a concussion, which was pretty serious. and had repercussions for her. she was really out of-- you know, incapacitated-- not incapacitated that's too strike word-- but she was really suffering from the effects of hitting her head so glad to see he's returning to work on monday-- i guess right after...
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they should have built a very big national campaign the way bill clinton was able to do. thank you, rana foroohar. and thank you, steve kornacki, as always, my colleague from the network we both serve. thank you. see you all in the next year. >>> up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done, and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. to the best vacation spot on earth. (all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride, go fishing or just lay in the sun. we've got coastline to
they should have built a very big national campaign the way bill clinton was able to do. thank you, rana foroohar. and thank you, steve kornacki, as always, my colleague from the network we both serve. thank you. see you all in the next year. >>> up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done, and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. to the...
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these are -- this is an idea that seems fairly reasonable, and when presented by bill clinton, you know, new yorkers didn't attack it, and so i think part of what we're seeing i think sadly is, again, rahm emanuel's comment "never let a good crisis go to waste," and gun advocates jumped on every tragedy and tried to exploit it. i think the nra did well to hold off for awhile in responding. >> i take what you say about the mood of it. here's something that i think was important, the first half of the wayne lapierre statement in which he passionately scored our culture, the video games, the movies, the whole thing, we've all been through this for 25 years, and yet we cannot say it enough, our culture is helping to make unstable people sick and dangerous. it does make a contribution. he was right to say it. i was delighted to hear it. i am for the banning of the extended magazines or extended clips -- i can never figure out exactly how to say that, but i know what it is. i don't think there's any reason to have 33 bullets in a killing machine that you can take into a place like a school. i
these are -- this is an idea that seems fairly reasonable, and when presented by bill clinton, you know, new yorkers didn't attack it, and so i think part of what we're seeing i think sadly is, again, rahm emanuel's comment "never let a good crisis go to waste," and gun advocates jumped on every tragedy and tried to exploit it. i think the nra did well to hold off for awhile in responding. >> i take what you say about the mood of it. here's something that i think was important,...
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can hillary clinton still get those voters? will people think that she is outside politics, outside of washington the way that people think of barack obama, which is a wholly new thing. that is sui generis. >> i don't see it like that especially because the man himself is an island unto himself in washington, d.c. >> yes. >> he is not a democratic party boss like tip o'neill. he's not even really connected with the chicago political machine. >> and curiously, people like that. >> he is his own man. that's a great thing unless you are the democrats that want this to be passed along four years from now. >> but is there, in your view, a philosophical way of being that is inheritable, to use rick's word? is this pragmatic problem-solving approach that clinton began and obama has clearly taken through this four years, five years so far, is the next republican victor going to have to be someone who is less ideological than, say, 30 years ago? >> well, i take exception with the suggestion that barack obama has been pragmatic. he passe
can hillary clinton still get those voters? will people think that she is outside politics, outside of washington the way that people think of barack obama, which is a wholly new thing. that is sui generis. >> i don't see it like that especially because the man himself is an island unto himself in washington, d.c. >> yes. >> he is not a democratic party boss like tip o'neill. he's not even really connected with the chicago political machine. >> and curiously, people like...
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also attended the summer olympics in london and even made a bet with former president bill clinton on the ryder cup which he paid up for, by the way. this year i talked to the biggest names in sport about what it takes to be the very best and what it feels like to be a world champion. what a moment. for you, eh? the green jacket. can i touch it? >> yeah, go ahead. >> how does it feel? >> it feels nice. >> how does it really feel to be bubba watson right now? >> it's overwhelming. people like yourself wanting to talk to me. for me to come to new york and do these interviews and meet you for first time. it's a special time. >> why have you given me the big exclusive interview. somebody's told me the rather unnerving reason why. >> because when you were on this other show "america's got talent" you were a [ bleep ]. so i wanted to come here and make fun of you just like you make fun of everybody else. >> i heard that was the reason. it genuinely was, wasn't it? >> yeah. >> because i'm a [ bleep ]. i don't care how we got you here, i'll take it. how hard it is, mike, for people who have b
also attended the summer olympics in london and even made a bet with former president bill clinton on the ryder cup which he paid up for, by the way. this year i talked to the biggest names in sport about what it takes to be the very best and what it feels like to be a world champion. what a moment. for you, eh? the green jacket. can i touch it? >> yeah, go ahead. >> how does it feel? >> it feels nice. >> how does it really feel to be bubba watson right now? >>...
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because bill clinton had bill cohen. so he's getting hit from so many different sides. >> he's getting -- and he's getting hit from republicans. he's getting hit from every side. i think it was an obtuse choice. and what the white house has done in floating his name and then being m.i.a. so, yeah, chuck hagel's nomination is d.o.a., and in the meantime, the white house is m.i.a. he's got to work really, really hard to find a nominee who is offensive to democrat-based constituencies like gay advocates, like israel advocates, like environmentalists and who is also offensive to republicans. you really have to work hard to find that combination. >> i think that's a totally strong point. he has no one in his corner, basically, except the president. >> and you talked about bill cohen as secretary of defense. did you know bill cohen got nominated and approved, unanimously, by the u.s. senate? >> john kerry is liked by more republicans than this guy. >> chuck schumer won't support -- >> a very different time. but we've got a rec
because bill clinton had bill cohen. so he's getting hit from so many different sides. >> he's getting -- and he's getting hit from republicans. he's getting hit from every side. i think it was an obtuse choice. and what the white house has done in floating his name and then being m.i.a. so, yeah, chuck hagel's nomination is d.o.a., and in the meantime, the white house is m.i.a. he's got to work really, really hard to find a nominee who is offensive to democrat-based constituencies like...
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he has the advantage here, the polls indicate, as with bill clinton and this showdown with newt gingrich. the public tends to blame republicans when this happens. especially now at a time when over on the house side, you have so many republicans who are so far right and worry about farther right running against them in primary, that john boehner's plan last week. we don't know how much has changed since last week. but president obama sounded like he was saying something that he had been planning to say a all along. >> take a listen to the president's tone and tell me if you think somebody has changed. >> ordinary folks. they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and then things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> joy, is this is same kind of negotiator we saw in the first term? >> i'll tell you, richard. one of the things you notice that the president didn't do was offer any new plan. i think he's laying this debacle squarely
he has the advantage here, the polls indicate, as with bill clinton and this showdown with newt gingrich. the public tends to blame republicans when this happens. especially now at a time when over on the house side, you have so many republicans who are so far right and worry about farther right running against them in primary, that john boehner's plan last week. we don't know how much has changed since last week. but president obama sounded like he was saying something that he had been...
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>> compare hillary clinton 2012 to clinton 2008. everybody said, don't run, she's going to walk away with it. what happened? four years is a long time. for james and the folks begging for her, if she runs, she will not be running alone. she will fight in a primary. >> are republicans quaking in their boots at the thought of martin o'malley or andy cuomo? >> i actually think hillary clinton deserves a year to take a deep breath and not have to worry about it. she needs to rest. give her 2013. it's not hillary versus hillary. but i think she ends up running. >> who the heck knows what could happen and how things are going to shake up. >> fascinating point. fascinating conversation for 2013. we'll be right back. duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have
>> compare hillary clinton 2012 to clinton 2008. everybody said, don't run, she's going to walk away with it. what happened? four years is a long time. for james and the folks begging for her, if she runs, she will not be running alone. she will fight in a primary. >> are republicans quaking in their boots at the thought of martin o'malley or andy cuomo? >> i actually think hillary clinton deserves a year to take a deep breath and not have to worry about it. she needs to rest....
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. >> again, you go back through history, president clinton started the cops program where you have resource officers who are armed in the schools as a result of that. there is partial funding, but it's very limited and cut back it's insufficient obviously. it's going to take over $2 billion if you put a federal funded program for an armed person at every school. i think there's voluntary programs you can look at if you have trained people and we want to set up a model training for this. it always should be an option that the local school board finally makes the decision. i can understand skepticism, but i think that school safety is the debate. i think it is terrific that the nra is willing to fund experts and solutions that will be provided free of costs to the schools to hopefully create a voluntary program. >> it's more than skepticism. i want to read you two reactions to what the nra had to say. the first from mayor michael bloomberg who said they, meaning the nra, offered a paranoid vision of a more dangerous and violent america where everyone is armed and no place is same. -- safe. th
. >> again, you go back through history, president clinton started the cops program where you have resource officers who are armed in the schools as a result of that. there is partial funding, but it's very limited and cut back it's insufficient obviously. it's going to take over $2 billion if you put a federal funded program for an armed person at every school. i think there's voluntary programs you can look at if you have trained people and we want to set up a model training for this....
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he needs to do what bill clinton did. he needs to do what president reagan did. president reagan was willing to sit down with the democratic speaker of the house and work on real common sense solutions. >> he met with speaker baner. >> he sat down once. >> couldn't speaker boehner get his house republicans to go along with his plan b. >> look at plan b. plan b was a plan that was advocated by nancy pelosi, was advocated by chuck schumer less than two years ago. they said that what we should do is raise taxes on people that make a million dollars or above. there were only 50 house republicans who said they were not going to vote for plan b. you couldn't even get 50 house democrats to vote for something like that, to send somethi to the senate and then the senate could maybe raise taxes on people that make less than that. so don't blame the republicans when it's the democrats that are unwilling to work on anything. when the president said that he wanted to look at chain cpi -- >> that's the -- >> that's a nonstarter. >> changing the way social security payments are
he needs to do what bill clinton did. he needs to do what president reagan did. president reagan was willing to sit down with the democratic speaker of the house and work on real common sense solutions. >> he met with speaker baner. >> he sat down once. >> couldn't speaker boehner get his house republicans to go along with his plan b. >> look at plan b. plan b was a plan that was advocated by nancy pelosi, was advocated by chuck schumer less than two years ago. they said...
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obama officially named senator john kerry as his nominee for secretary of state to succeed hillary clinton. kerry became a front-runner for the job after the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice, withdrew her name from consideration last week. during the announcement the president indicated that kerry's senate career makes him more than capable for the job. >> in an extraordinarily distinguished senate career and as chairman of the foreign relations committee, john's played a central role in every major foreign policy debate for nearly 30 years. as we turn the page on a decade of war, he understands that we've got to harness all elements of american power and ensure that they're working together. >> secretary clinton wasn't present for the announcement. she's still recovering from a concussion. but in a statement she said that kerri is re is an excellent choice. north korean state media is reporting a u.s. citizen has been arrested in north korea for committing an unspecified crime. they say a tour guide entered north korea more than a month ago, was eventually detained after
obama officially named senator john kerry as his nominee for secretary of state to succeed hillary clinton. kerry became a front-runner for the job after the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice, withdrew her name from consideration last week. during the announcement the president indicated that kerry's senate career makes him more than capable for the job. >> in an extraordinarily distinguished senate career and as chairman of the foreign relations committee, john's played a...
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president obama also announcing john kerry to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state. senator kerry currently chairs the foreign relations committee. president obama credited him with playing a central role in every major foreign policy debate for nearly 30 years and called on the senate to swiftly confirm his nomination. the u.s. marine veteran jailed in mexico on weapons charges is back in the u.s. tonight. his release comes from his mother. he was arrested four months ago after declaring an antique shotgun at the border. mexican authorities said the weapon did not comply with their gun laws. anderson. >> monsignor will officiating days ahead. so many are promising to remember the sandy hook victims. we'll be right back. thought.than i we actully keep track of how many times this kid picked his nose? tongue's out, hair pulls, stink eyes, man we see eveything. oh, it's the old man. hold on, i gotta send something out. you can have two apps open at the same time? how'd you do that? it's the galaxy note 10.1 man, it just does it. how do you think they made it? magic. do
president obama also announcing john kerry to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state. senator kerry currently chairs the foreign relations committee. president obama credited him with playing a central role in every major foreign policy debate for nearly 30 years and called on the senate to swiftly confirm his nomination. the u.s. marine veteran jailed in mexico on weapons charges is back in the u.s. tonight. his release comes from his mother. he was arrested four months ago after...
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you go back to the clinton tax rates and make some significant cuts and you cut the defense department, which hasn't been cut in 30 years. >> maggie, looks like we will get exactly what the governor just -- i mean assuming they get -- and what was your take listening to schumer and kyl? >> my take was there has not been that much progress. my take on labrador -- >> they sounded so optimistic. because that's where the deal >> well, they did. they both did because that's where the deal is being discussed in the senate. with the discussion with the house members that i found much more contentious and sort of interesting about where we are and that i think is of real concern. i do think that some senate democrats and some liberal members of the house would like to see the cliff gone over. they think that is the best way to press a reset. i don't think that is where the president is. i really don't. i think that's what he is saying publicly but his second track, i need a deal for all the reasons -- >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, he can blame the republicans and he can do the tax cuts on
you go back to the clinton tax rates and make some significant cuts and you cut the defense department, which hasn't been cut in 30 years. >> maggie, looks like we will get exactly what the governor just -- i mean assuming they get -- and what was your take listening to schumer and kyl? >> my take was there has not been that much progress. my take on labrador -- >> they sounded so optimistic. because that's where the deal >> well, they did. they both did because that's...
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even if he doesn't get anything across the goalline, he knows that health care started thanks to bill clinton. he pushed it over. if he pushes gun control in some fashion on assault weapons and doesn't get it done, believe me, that will be a positive part of his legacy whether he succeeds or not. >> last word to you. >> i mean, we have those laws in existence. i would suggest to you part of going to these kind of solutions, it creates a false security. we have now solved the problem. no, we haven't. what we really need to address is, in fact, what do we do with people who we think are threats and have mental illness problems, and how do we do that? i mean, in virginia tech there was a clear situation, and we had certain laws in place, privacy laws, that don't allow parents to be able to effectively engage to sort of help in this situation. >> and there were armed guards on campus in virginia tech, just like there were armed guards in columbine. >> i'm not arguing that point. i'm saying how do we get to the solution, and i think just jumping to conclusions here, i think we need a thoughtful pr
even if he doesn't get anything across the goalline, he knows that health care started thanks to bill clinton. he pushed it over. if he pushes gun control in some fashion on assault weapons and doesn't get it done, believe me, that will be a positive part of his legacy whether he succeeds or not. >> last word to you. >> i mean, we have those laws in existence. i would suggest to you part of going to these kind of solutions, it creates a false security. we have now solved the...
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elise labott is joining us. >> hillary clinton had been recovering at home. she had a terrible stomach virus that she caught on a trip earlier this month and then unfortunately fainted due to rehydration. she's been recovering at home under doctor orders but we understand secretary clinton will be back at home next week. the secretary is looking forward to resuming her schedule back here at the state department. >> also, i know that there had been some talk of one more foreign trip for her. is that out or in? >> well, she's not really ready to travel any time soon as per her doctor's orders but there are a lot of questions about whether secretary clinton would have been up to testifying on benghazi affair. as you know, she had her deputies sitting in for her because she was under doctor's orders not able to come to work. plans have been made for her planning to testify and i think for secretary clinton she definitely wanted the chance to have congress hear from a lot of congressmen and women looking forward to her story about how she approached the attack in
elise labott is joining us. >> hillary clinton had been recovering at home. she had a terrible stomach virus that she caught on a trip earlier this month and then unfortunately fainted due to rehydration. she's been recovering at home under doctor orders but we understand secretary clinton will be back at home next week. the secretary is looking forward to resuming her schedule back here at the state department. >> also, i know that there had been some talk of one more foreign trip...
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secretary of state, hillary clinton, defense secretary bob gates. but you did not have, again, your labor secretary. you didn't have your commerce secretary, your energy secretary. so he relied on sort of the people just around him. i think this administration and the president should do a better job of getting his cabinet out there, because, frankly, most americans don't even know who the rest of the cabinet members are. >> finer point on it, roland. do you think the president is sending a message that he won't fight for his nominees? >> well, i think what he's doing is, he's picking and choosing his battles, but he needs to understand, the last four years, republicans fought him on everything. he should send the signal, i'm not going to play the games we played the last four years. i'm going to be very aggressive, and if you want to deny me my choice, then you should vote that person down. he should have put her forward, and look, if he wants former senator chuck hagel, put him forward as well, and tell the senate, i dare you to do it. >> alice, t
secretary of state, hillary clinton, defense secretary bob gates. but you did not have, again, your labor secretary. you didn't have your commerce secretary, your energy secretary. so he relied on sort of the people just around him. i think this administration and the president should do a better job of getting his cabinet out there, because, frankly, most americans don't even know who the rest of the cabinet members are. >> finer point on it, roland. do you think the president is sending...
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cops in the school program was initiated in the 1990s by bill clinton. whether an individual school wants that protection or doesn't want that protection is really up to the individual school and when we made that statement, whether wayne la pierre spoke a week ago, what has to happen and should happen is in every school district, administrators, teacher skpes parents should sit down and ask what's needed to protect the students in that school. others want private security guards. there may be places where they want volunteers to do it. we are willing to work with everybody on the questions. >> how do educators feel about giving teachers firearms training? bob hinky is a principal at mountain crest high school. how do you feel about this? >> well, i think the teachers have that right and so i feel like it's okay, but i have some things i'm very concerned about. i personally wouldn't carry a gun or get a concealed weapon myself. the concerns i have is the concealed weapons, i have a friend who just received his a couple of years ago and through the traini
cops in the school program was initiated in the 1990s by bill clinton. whether an individual school wants that protection or doesn't want that protection is really up to the individual school and when we made that statement, whether wayne la pierre spoke a week ago, what has to happen and should happen is in every school district, administrators, teacher skpes parents should sit down and ask what's needed to protect the students in that school. others want private security guards. there may be...
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., clinton, they all had affairs. what do you say to that? >> well, i don't think the idea -- the problem is that general petraeus had an affair. i think the idea and the big problem is that he was director of the cia and he walked into right into one of the most blackmailable situations you can have. it's good the u.s. found out about it before the russians or chinese. it's not that he's a general messing around, and according to the code of the justice that's not allowed. >> teetering on the edge of the fiscal cliff with just 36 days to go until tax increases kick, in the white house and congress are playing a high stakes game of let's make a deal. >> only in america believes there has to be this what i believe to be really farcical now surely -- the nature of the world is very fast moving, america has huge economic problems, heading for another fiscal cliff, everyone laughing at you from afar, the american public sick and tired of all the games going on and there are you, grover norquist, a very bright guy still resolutely saying a pledge
., clinton, they all had affairs. what do you say to that? >> well, i don't think the idea -- the problem is that general petraeus had an affair. i think the idea and the big problem is that he was director of the cia and he walked into right into one of the most blackmailable situations you can have. it's good the u.s. found out about it before the russians or chinese. it's not that he's a general messing around, and according to the code of the justice that's not allowed. >>...
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we're going back to the clinton era tax rates and we boom then. the reason it didn't pinch us then, now it's deem and then it was great. i think the difference is the economy was improving, incomes were going up, housing prices were going up, people felt better. home prices are going up. that's a good thing, and the income issue is where we need to solve the problem. >> that's right. >> people can handle higher taxes if they make more money. part of that -- i'm going to get preachy here, reverend. the american people have to make a decision about what's important. keeping your neighbors employed. i know cost matters to a lot of people. my parents poet grew up poor. look the at what you buying if it koths made in mechanic and kips your neighbor working at a higher wage at a u.s. facility, think about that decision you're pak maiking. there's no country in the world -- sorry i'm off on a tangent. there's no country in the world where wages are high but goods are sold cheaply. you can't have both. >> it's been stagnant in the last decade. incomes hav
we're going back to the clinton era tax rates and we boom then. the reason it didn't pinch us then, now it's deem and then it was great. i think the difference is the economy was improving, incomes were going up, housing prices were going up, people felt better. home prices are going up. that's a good thing, and the income issue is where we need to solve the problem. >> that's right. >> people can handle higher taxes if they make more money. part of that -- i'm going to get preachy...